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Offline Tech G

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Defending Your Position
« on: May 28, 2017, 11:59:39 pm »
Hi Guys,

So one of the other leagues I raced with had a very helpful discussion on racing and sim racing etiquette when it comes to defending your position and it turns out a lot of people had different ideas on this.  As there are some new drivers here I thought it would be interesting to post a few article links here.  In sim racing this is particularly important, as we don't have much the peripheral vision.  So if you believe another car is pulling up along side you, hold your line, do not cut across them or make a late move.

Blocking vs Defending
Defending is putting your car in an area that makes the opponent have to take the longer/slower line. You can move offline to cover the inside, and if your opponent is clear, move back to the racing line.

Blocking is moving in such a way where your opponent has to slow down or otherwise react to not cause a collision.  Late moves as someone is about to pull along side you or in the braking zone is blocking.

The idea is to make sure all action on track is clean and incident free, so sudden movements or quick lane changes, while other cars are around you, increases the chance of an incident.

https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAdn4g6Ga8A&app=desktop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnnR6ubhrHg









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Offline Chad Brown

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Re: Defending Your Position
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2017, 12:08:18 am »
Thanks for the post Tech.

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Re: Defending Your Position
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2017, 07:15:19 am »
Good videos, thanks.

I don't totally agree with some of the situations in the first video where there wasn't double line change. For example situation seen in 5:45 was pretty ok to me. He started braking after he changed his line so the car behind could have change his line to inside or backed off more imo but was too stubborn to do it. Sure you need to be careful in those situations as a car in front. But defending should be something else too than the obvious choose inside/outside in the middle of a straight, IMO.

Video number 2 highlights the right to defend but not dangerously of course.

Both the car in front and the following car has resposibility to ensure clean racing. Ramming someone from behind when you know he is going to defend (use his one move while your aren't beside him) isn't cool either.

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Offline Tech G

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Re: Defending Your Position
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2017, 03:09:11 pm »
I don't totally agree with some of the situations in the first video where there wasn't double line change. For example situation seen in 5:45 was pretty ok to me. He started braking after he changed his line so the car behind could have change his line to inside or backed off more imo but was too stubborn to do it. Sure you need to be careful in those situations as a car in front. But defending should be something else too than the obvious choose inside/outside in the middle of a straight, IMO.
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Thanks for the comments guys and I am glad these videos are useful. 

It is worth having the discussion, so we can try to agree what the right approach is.   In the particular situation you mentioned Matt, I agree that this one is a little grey area, but if you notice the Mclaren starts to drift back on to the racing line but leaves a little gap on the outside, then as they brake and the guy behind goes into that gap, the Mclaren drifts slightly further forcing him more off.  This is what I don't think is ok.  The Mclaren should have made his intention clear and gone all the way outside in the first place not keep drifting, but the guy behind should also have thought that gap is to small and backed off

Pretty much everyone agrees you can make one defensive move, or get in a defensive position, then only move back to the racing line if it is safe to do so, without causing the guy behind to have to take any avoiding action.  As one of the drivers said don't be a moving chicane, drifting around and making defensive moves to late, does not prompt safe, fast and close racing.

 
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Re: Defending Your Position
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2017, 09:11:08 am »
I don't totally agree with some of the situations in the first video where there wasn't double line change. For example situation seen in 5:45 was pretty ok to me. He started braking after he changed his line so the car behind could have change his line to inside or backed off more imo but was too stubborn to do it. Sure you need to be careful in those situations as a car in front. But defending should be something else too than the obvious choose inside/outside in the middle of a straight, IMO.
-Matt

Thanks for the comments guys and I am glad these videos are useful. 

It is worth having the discussion, so we can try to agree what the right approach is.   In the particular situation you mentioned Matt, I agree that this one is a little grey area, but if you notice the Mclaren starts to drift back on to the racing line but leaves a little gap on the outside, then as they brake and the guy behind goes into that gap, the Mclaren drifts slightly further forcing him more off.  This is what I don't think is ok.  The Mclaren should have made his intention clear and gone all the way outside in the first place not keep drifting, but the guy behind should also have thought that gap is to small and backed off

Pretty much everyone agrees you can make one defensive move, or get in a defensive position, then only move back to the racing line if it is safe to do so, without causing the guy behind to have to take any avoiding action.  As one of the drivers said don't be a moving chicane, drifting around and making defensive moves to late, does not prompt safe, fast and close racing.

 

I agree that the leading car could have moved more to the right. There is another thing here that happened that is against the ethics of clean racing imo: the following car knew he carries more speed because of the draft so he should have braked earlier once the car in front started his defensive move by moving to the right. This also applies is you share the same line with a car which you know has a earlier braking point than you or you don't know his braking point. Any of that rear bumping is nasty.
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June 18, 2017, 07:01:04 pm Tig_green says: EGT series, Sebring:

http://simresults.net/170618-9fI

June 12, 2017, 09:23:14 pm Stevo says: good idea Ignacio, look forward to this. I think everyone would. just imagine 200 streamers watching the biggest wreckin rookie in action and you whaling on about me. yeah my face is going beetroot as i speak

June 12, 2017, 08:12:48 pm Chad Brown says: I think that would be a grand idea Ignacio. You have the pleasure of watching the race and we get the pleasure of pretending we are actually professional drivers. LOL. I think it would be cool to have someone announcing the race live in a stream. If you are keen to do so I would not say no.

June 12, 2017, 03:04:17 pm i_hortal says: dont think so, unless a miracle happens this week. ive had awful luck this past months. :/

June 12, 2017, 12:45:18 pm Tig_green says: I like the idea Ignacio. I have had a secret wish that this would happen someday. Not sure where you find people who are willing to do this instead of racing... You won't be racing in Sebring?

June 12, 2017, 12:17:02 pm i_hortal says: how would you feel if i do stream your races and do commentary while i wait for my own driving :D ? maybe i can get someone else in the booth as im leaned more on the technical side and i alwady do regular streams on twitch.

June 11, 2017, 07:01:09 pm Tig_green says: EGT series, Road America:

http://simresults.net/170611-9rQ

June 06, 2017, 06:07:39 am Tig_green says: Some interesting stats: http://virtualracingchampionship.liveracers.com/League

I think we could make better use of the features there.

June 06, 2017, 04:03:53 am i_hortal says: sadly i missed most of the series but i'll have a new wheel tomorrow "again", hope to see people practising :p

June 04, 2017, 07:11:18 pm Chad Brown says: Malaysia Race Results:
http://simresults.net/170604-3YD

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